Post by hypoponera on Sept 11, 2019 21:13:55 GMT -5
I am not quite the stickler that author is. If you are posting a copyright protected photo, you should at least say where the photo came from. If you are taking a photo from a book then give the title and page of the book.
However, I do have lots of photos I have cut out of old magazines. I no longer have the info on publisher or photographer. Posting those photos with a blurb of not remembering where they are from should work. You are not attempting to take credit.
Post by The Jade Fog, formerly: Dave on Sept 11, 2019 21:23:25 GMT -5
I agree with Hypo- give credit to the original post and give a reference back to where you found it.
As a funny story related:
Years ago a friend and I went out to sea on a bird watching tour. We left Ocean City, MD and went 60 miles out to see a bunch of sea birds who spend their entire life bobbing on the water except to come to land to lay their eggs.
To freshen up his knowledge about the birds, my friend printed out an article about them from a birding site. On the ship we met a man whose photos were used in the internet article, and he got really steamed that my friend "illegally printed and used" his photographs.
It can be a strange and hazardous world when dealing with intellectual property...
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Post by JNXT 7707 on Sept 11, 2019 21:37:06 GMT -5
I understand the author of the article's point of view. I do think you can push the point of view too far though. If you are using a photo to put in a published article or book of your own, then by all means credit should be given. Especially so if there is a profit being made. If you are posting in a forum such as this, and simply looking to illustrate a point, or use the photo as a way to show a particular type of locomotive or rolling stock....I don't think it is important. It would be good etiqueete to mention "not my photo, I got it from_____" or something of that nature. I saw one of my own photos once in a Facebook post. I forget what it was now, but it was on a L&N modelers group. I was equally irritated/flattered. He wasn't trying to take credit for it, but no credit was given. I think I posted some light-hearted remark reminding him where it came from. He never responded.
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Post by toyhoarder on Sept 11, 2019 23:46:05 GMT -5
If it is your photo that you posted on the internet, then you gave access to the whole world and copying and reposting is really a mute point.
If it is another person's photo, that opens the proverbial can of worms. A) If you are the originator and take a photo from a non-internet source: 1) If you know who the photographer is ( from a book or newspaper ), then give credit where credit is due, 2) If you do NOT know the photographer ( an old postcard or inherited family photo ), then how far do you go to find out the photographer? How do you even start the search?
B) If the photo is already on the internet: 1) As I said before, the world already has access. If you know the photographer, then pass on the credit, 2) If you do NOT know the photographer, then what? Is the internet photo a first copy? Second? Third? I feel it is the originator's responsibility to assign credit so it can be passed on.
As far as permission goes, I feel that the author or photographer was printed to relay information to the public on how things were, especially where trains or model trains are concerned. Those ways of transportation will not be back nor will the old models. I hope the authors and photographers would be flattered that what they did will be used forever to relay this information.
Legalities? People today sue for anything, right of wrong, and win.
I hope everyone understands I am not trying to start a battle.
I have firm beliefs of what is right and wrong in my mind and struggle with the ethical thing to do regarding pictures. I ended up on a website while looking for pictures and it linked to another site and then another that outlined intellectual property based on Federal law pertaining to such.
The gist was that you can pretty much use the stuff willy-nilly because of the costs to the copyright owner to prosecute you for theft of their property.
But the ethical view in my mind was important to me and basically disrespecting the person efforts who took the time and money to make these old pictures that are so beneficial to us.
Doing the right thing is very important to me. I'll just have to do what is comfortable to me.
Randy; operating the Vicksburg & Eastern Railroad.
It is about as clear as mud. I read the Federal guidelines and they make it sound like can re-post Internet images and then you can't.
I always thought it was common sense. EG; if you're using the image to gain financially you can't use it w/o permission and vice-versa. But after I read all that legal jazz where it said in some cases you could re post it under certain conditions I was lost.
I think I am going to with a common sense approach. Use a picture but give all possible credit to the photographer and the website I found it on.
If someone complains I'll remove it.
Randy; operating the Vicksburg & Eastern Railroad.
Post by brian4321 on Sept 12, 2019 18:43:36 GMT -5
IP law is sub-specialty of the legal arena and there are lawyers who specialize in IP, especially at the USPTO. I agree with many of the above observations about ownership of photos and getting recognition. I have also seen people typing their name or some other logo into a corner of the photo to clearly take ownership (assuming that they really do own it) of the photo.
If you are posting on a forum like this one, or sharing a photo found online with a friend, the right thing to do is to give credit if known.
If you are using the photo in a way that will earn you money, that you personally benefit financially from, then the photographer deserves a share of what you made. In that case, i'd go to great lengths to actually track down the photographer and get his permission to use the photo. And also work out some sort of royalty arrangement so that both of us can benefit from his work.
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