So we got a little off topic in the MDC category and the subject of B-17's came up. Randy posted a couple of pics of his models (www.tycodepot.com/post/87749/thread ) and that brings us around to the creation of this topic.
Please post any pics you may have.
Yes, it's my favorite plane. My dad flew it in the war. I have had a kit to put together for 18 years or so ( waiting for my son to do it with me) so I don't want to post a picture of the box. Instead, here is a picture of the specific plane I will be modeling. This is my Dad's plane in late September or early October 1943 in Chevelston, England.
I see the cockpit picture is from "Liberty Belle". Isn't that the one that burned?
I believe it is. Another great story for you because of your location. At the airport in Urbana, OH, there is a small hanger off the runway where they are building basically a brand new B-17. You can go there anytime and just walk around. They initially were going to restore a B-17 found in GA, but decided it was too far gone to restore. They bought the plans for the plane from the Smithsonian, (yes, they had to pay for them) and are starting new. They have built the tools needed as they go. The guy there told me that the only part they can't replicate is the wing spar. Need that first and they have one.
The main point of my story is that they are rebuilding the Liberty Belle(not in Urbana) and the engines from the Liberty Belle are in Urbana to be repaired because they have the tools to do it. You can go see them all scorched!
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I had 2 great uncles who gave their lives fighting in B-17's.
One was a ball turret gunner and the other was a tail gunner.
Wow, sorry to hear this. Those were the two most dangerous positions, for sure. Never been in the tail, most planes today have that blocked off, but it looks really uncomfortable. and the ball turret? My **** would never fit through that hatch!
Waiting for more pix of your dad if you have them.
Actually, we have very few from the war years. Shortly after the first picture above was taken, my father was shot down over Schweinfurt, Germany. Schweinfurt was the home of German ball bearing production and the Allies felt they could really hurt the germans if they knocked it out. The first raid was in August, '43 and it didn't go well for the Americans. My dad made it back, but the losses were heavy as it was as deep into Germany as they were flying in 1943. There were no fighters that could go that far at that time.
Fast forward to October 14, 1943. Imagine the crews walking into the predawn briefing to learn where they would be flying. It was my fathers 25th mission. He was going home after this flight and then they learn they are going back to Schweinfurt! Of the 18 planes that took off from my dad's base, 3 returned for mechanical issues, 12 were shot down on the way to the target. 3, including my father made it to drop bombs. Unfortunately for dad, they were hit by a rocket in the wing and the fuel tank was on fire when they were 3 minutes out from the bomb drop. My Dad told the crew they could bail out, but he came this far and he was dropping the da# bombs. Everyone stayed in the plane.
After the bomb run with the wing engulfed in flames, the plane started to fall apart. They all jumped, were captured and imprisoned for the duration. Of the 15 planes from the 305th bomb group that went on to Schweinfurt, only two made it back. There were ten men on each plane. The Army Air corps lost 60 planes on this day and didn't fly another significant mission until 1944.
My dad ended up in Stalag III until June of 45. All of his belongings were divided among the survivors back at the base, so that's why no photos or other mementos. Frankly, like much of this generation ( and they were the greatest), when they got back, this was the past and they only looked forward. He didn't talk much about any of this except for the funny stories. All of the above, I learned from several of the books written about the Schweinfurt raids.
And that leads to this next picture. Some guy, no idea who he is, read one of the books and was so moved by the story, that he commissioned a painting. He then tracked down my father and sent him a copy. This was in the early 90's I would guess. The plane on fire represents my dad's plane.
frankenstein: I'm currently a chair dweller right now.
Aug 5, 2019 10:05:24 GMT -5
rbturner: Sitting still is the pits. Unless it's at your train room work bench.
Aug 5, 2019 13:06:57 GMT -5
ZeldaTheSwordsman: rbturner, to answer your question from two weeks ago, my livery plan is actually to paint it up as another of my "Strawberry Specials"
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JNXT 7707: What is a "Strawberry Special", Z?
Aug 5, 2019 20:31:39 GMT -5
ZeldaTheSwordsman: Here's a hint: You've seen two or three of them from me already
Aug 6, 2019 0:23:46 GMT -5
ZeldaTheSwordsman: I could use some feedback on the cobblestones of my level crossing. It's one of those things where lack of input is gonna stall me x.x
Aug 6, 2019 0:40:24 GMT -5
rbturner: Many years ago I built a Budweiser Clydesdale, 8 horse hit w/ wagon. It sat on a cobblestone base. I painted each cobblestone individually with various earth tone colors. It looked great but was a real job.
Aug 6, 2019 8:01:21 GMT -5
frankenstein: Why get stalled? Things like that have a great variation to them, and are largely interpretive.
Aug 6, 2019 11:14:28 GMT -5
ZeldaTheSwordsman: Because I needed to be sure the cobblestones weren't completely off the wall before proceeding to the weathering stage of painting the base. I know there's a lot of variation, but I was worried I had still managed to goof it up
Aug 6, 2019 13:12:21 GMT -5
methuener: My B&O Pratt Street layout will be all street running and all cobblestones. I'm going with paper sheets with cobblestones printed from photo images.
Aug 8, 2019 19:49:10 GMT -5
eilif: Is there a topic where we share our collection of rolling stock from other member's freelanced railroads? I've got a BC&E on the way that will join equipment from JNXT, NMN, and JFI, it'd be nice to have a specific place to share this stuff.
Aug 12, 2019 8:29:48 GMT -5
JNXT 7707: I don't think there is one, or a specific place for that - but just create one under "Gone to Beans Coffee Shop" I'd say. Sounds like it could be fun!
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JNXT 7707: I've also acquired a small handful of mystery freelance roads from train shows, done with such care that I can't think of stripping them.
Aug 12, 2019 14:38:46 GMT -5
John: JNXT, Don't want the cars but would like to see the pictures. Please!
Aug 15, 2019 14:37:39 GMT -5
John: I guess I will never understand the romantic nostalgia that is felt about Woodstock. I grew up in that era. Woodstock seemed more like a Drunken Roman Orgy than a music festival. I guess I was a Red Neck then too.
Aug 15, 2019 20:45:33 GMT -5
rbturner: John; AMEN.
Aug 16, 2019 12:06:03 GMT -5
JNXT 7707: I second that. I do like some of the music but the event itself was a disaster. It has improved over the years though, like a fine hippie wine
Aug 16, 2019 13:48:33 GMT -5
The Jade Fog, formerly: Dave: Just heard Canned Heat for the first time. Sounds like pretty good blues work. The Dead are on in a few hours!
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