So we got a little off topic in the MDC category and the subject of B-17's came up. Randy posted a couple of pics of his models (www.tycodepot.com/post/87749/thread ) and that brings us around to the creation of this topic.
Please post any pics you may have.
Yes, it's my favorite plane. My dad flew it in the war. I have had a kit to put together for 18 years or so ( waiting for my son to do it with me) so I don't want to post a picture of the box. Instead, here is a picture of the specific plane I will be modeling. This is my Dad's plane in late September or early October 1943 in Chevelston, England.
I see the cockpit picture is from "Liberty Belle". Isn't that the one that burned?
I believe it is. Another great story for you because of your location. At the airport in Urbana, OH, there is a small hanger off the runway where they are building basically a brand new B-17. You can go there anytime and just walk around. They initially were going to restore a B-17 found in GA, but decided it was too far gone to restore. They bought the plans for the plane from the Smithsonian, (yes, they had to pay for them) and are starting new. They have built the tools needed as they go. The guy there told me that the only part they can't replicate is the wing spar. Need that first and they have one.
The main point of my story is that they are rebuilding the Liberty Belle(not in Urbana) and the engines from the Liberty Belle are in Urbana to be repaired because they have the tools to do it. You can go see them all scorched!
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I had 2 great uncles who gave their lives fighting in B-17's.
One was a ball turret gunner and the other was a tail gunner.
Wow, sorry to hear this. Those were the two most dangerous positions, for sure. Never been in the tail, most planes today have that blocked off, but it looks really uncomfortable. and the ball turret? My **** would never fit through that hatch!
Waiting for more pix of your dad if you have them.
Actually, we have very few from the war years. Shortly after the first picture above was taken, my father was shot down over Schweinfurt, Germany. Schweinfurt was the home of German ball bearing production and the Allies felt they could really hurt the germans if they knocked it out. The first raid was in August, '43 and it didn't go well for the Americans. My dad made it back, but the losses were heavy as it was as deep into Germany as they were flying in 1943. There were no fighters that could go that far at that time.
Fast forward to October 14, 1943. Imagine the crews walking into the predawn briefing to learn where they would be flying. It was my fathers 25th mission. He was going home after this flight and then they learn they are going back to Schweinfurt! Of the 18 planes that took off from my dad's base, 3 returned for mechanical issues, 12 were shot down on the way to the target. 3, including my father made it to drop bombs. Unfortunately for dad, they were hit by a rocket in the wing and the fuel tank was on fire when they were 3 minutes out from the bomb drop. My Dad told the crew they could bail out, but he came this far and he was dropping the da# bombs. Everyone stayed in the plane.
After the bomb run with the wing engulfed in flames, the plane started to fall apart. They all jumped, were captured and imprisoned for the duration. Of the 15 planes from the 305th bomb group that went on to Schweinfurt, only two made it back. There were ten men on each plane. The Army Air corps lost 60 planes on this day and didn't fly another significant mission until 1944.
My dad ended up in Stalag III until June of 45. All of his belongings were divided among the survivors back at the base, so that's why no photos or other mementos. Frankly, like much of this generation ( and they were the greatest), when they got back, this was the past and they only looked forward. He didn't talk much about any of this except for the funny stories. All of the above, I learned from several of the books written about the Schweinfurt raids.
And that leads to this next picture. Some guy, no idea who he is, read one of the books and was so moved by the story, that he commissioned a painting. He then tracked down my father and sent him a copy. This was in the early 90's I would guess. The plane on fire represents my dad's plane.
yardmaster54: it across the room. lol
Oct 16, 2019 17:56:47 GMT -5
JNXT 7707: Get rid of commercials? Now you're really fantasizing!
Oct 16, 2019 18:10:13 GMT -5
yardmaster54: Not all, only about 1/3 of them. And isn't life just a fantasy gone wrong?
Oct 16, 2019 18:20:29 GMT -5
JNXT 7707: I dunno ym, the Packers are 5-1 - I'd say it's a fantasy gone right!
Oct 16, 2019 20:55:58 GMT -5
JNXT 7707: OK folks, I just received a box from ym. It is now under Level 5 security protocol - the highest level possible. Look for a detailed report on the "a box from" thread, barring a worst case scenario of course
Oct 18, 2019 11:12:47 GMT -5
JNXT 7707: I can hardly keep up with the posts today - you guys are a bunch of chatterboxes
Oct 18, 2019 17:40:53 GMT -5
yardmaster54: Jerry you hurt my feelings thinking I would send you something bad. I was thinking of sending you a block of limburger cheese. I know how you packer fans like cheese.
Oct 18, 2019 19:12:13 GMT -5
rbturner: That sounds totally appropriate since Jerry is the big cheese.
Oct 18, 2019 21:15:18 GMT -5
rbturner: Until his wife shows up then he becomes a cheese puff.
Oct 18, 2019 21:15:57 GMT -5
JNXT 7707: I like deep fried cheese curds better
Oct 18, 2019 22:17:36 GMT -5
JNXT 7707: Woke up to learn there was a tornado in Dallas last night
Oct 21, 2019 7:56:21 GMT -5
yardmaster54: Hope there were no injuries.
Oct 21, 2019 14:55:45 GMT -5
JNXT 7707: None here, but the same system moved on into Arkansas and killed someone. I opened the weather site last night and it said there were thunderstorms in the area, no mention of tornadoes. We slept right through it all.
Oct 21, 2019 18:00:32 GMT -5
yardmaster54: The news said there were 3 f3 tornadoes in Dallas. The news showed a lot of damaged.
Oct 21, 2019 18:11:04 GMT -5
rbturner: Sounds dangerous to be in Texas. Maybe you should move back to WVa.
Oct 21, 2019 21:52:45 GMT -5
JNXT 7707: That is the best idea I have heard all year, Randy Fe. I wonder how road-worthy the TT is?
Oct 21, 2019 22:21:22 GMT -5
hypoponera: It might be easier for you to just drop it here. I have an acre that I am not using and we don't get tornadoes!
Oct 22, 2019 9:08:12 GMT -5
JNXT 7707: I just checked the map, Mike. That's going the wrong direction!
Oct 22, 2019 12:20:14 GMT -5